Finding the right funding opportunities

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Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills

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to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.

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As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients.

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When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find

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that our years of clinical training did not adequately prepare us to lead our research

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program.

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Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit.

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However, clinicians hold the keys to the greatest research breakthroughs.

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For this reason, the Clinician Researcher podcast exists to give academic clinicians

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the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.

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Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene.

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Welcome to today's episode.

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I'm Toyosi Onwuemene, and it is a pleasure to be speaking with you today.

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Thank you for listening.

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Today, I am talking about how to find the right grant opportunities.

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And before I get started on the episode, I do want to encourage you, if you are interested

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For more information, reach out to us on our website, clinicianresearcherpodcast.com.

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All right.

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So when I started my career, I just wanted to do research.

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And I had done some research as an undergraduate.

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I did some basic science wet lab type research.

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And when I moved to medical school, I did some clinical research.

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And when I was a resident, I did some clinical research as well.

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So when I got to fellowship and making the transition to faculty, I assumed that I would

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continue to do research.

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And so when I was told that, well, as part of being a researcher, I needed to submit

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grants, that kind of came as a shock to me.

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I was like, well, I've been able to do research this whole time.

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I've never had to submit grants.

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I mean, I've submitted grants, but I didn't have to.

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Whether the grants got funded or not, I was able to do my work.

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So why?

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Why now?

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Why do I need to submit grants?

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Why can't I just do the research without finding grant money?

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And this is a sentiment that I know is echoed by other clinician researchers.

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I get people sometimes saying, well, I just want to do the research, but I don't want

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to do all this grant writing stuff.

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And I totally do echo the sentiment because grant writing is a bear.

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It's a lot.

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It's a lot of time investment, and you may not get the grant that you submit for.

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And so if there is a possibility to do the research without actually asking for the money

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to do it, why wouldn't you take it?

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So one of the things I wanted to share is just that it will always cost money to do

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something.

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And so if you think about the fact that as long as you are asking a person to take up

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their time to do work, then that person's time does need to be compensated.

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So if they have a job, there is a way that their company makes money, and their work

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is in support of that.

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And if they are working for your research program, that work for you needs to be funded.

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And if you say, well, I'm just going to fund myself.

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I'm going to do research by myself.

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I have nobody in my program.

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Therefore, I shouldn't need to have money to fund this research.

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Recognize that if you are an employee at an academic medical center, somebody is writing

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the checks to pay your salary every month.

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And usually, as a clinician, a lot of that money comes out of the collections as far

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as the patients that you see.

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So you're generating revenue every time you see patients.

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And if you decide that you want to take away some of that time to go do some research,

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then okay, that's time that you're no longer generating clinical revenue.

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And it's like, well, so where does the revenue come from?

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And so those are the questions that always come up.

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And it's not always easy, I think, for academic faculty to understand that because it's like,

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well, it's my own time.

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And remember that I talked in an earlier episode about how research is not something you do

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on the side.

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It's not something you do after all your work is done.

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It is part of your daytime activity.

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So research should be part of your work.

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And if it's part of your work, then it's important to recognize, well, if that time during my

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workday is not being funded by clinical activities, how is it being funded?

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And it's either being funded by a subvention from your institution, or there's grant money

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available to pay for it.

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And so that's what's important to understand when it comes to looking for grant opportunities.

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So how do you find the right grant opportunity?

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It's like, okay, so maybe I buy this idea that I need to fund myself.

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How do I find the right grant opportunities?

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And the other piece of it is to say that, okay, if you don't fund yourself, then what's

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probably going to happen is someone will say, well, okay, well, here's a clinical strategy

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by which you can fund yourself.

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And that is a difficult space in which to get research done.

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As you know, if you've had the number of years of clinical training that you probably have

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had, there wasn't much of research in that.

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And if you're going to really grow to become the clinician researcher you want to be, you

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do want to make sure that you have time and space to develop your research training in

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the way you need to.

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So that time does need to be covered.

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And it's important to think strategically about what that could look like.

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And many institutions will start off by helping clinicians with a startup package, give them

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resources they need until they're able to make their own transition toward independence.

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So how do you find the right grant opportunities?

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So the first step is always to start with the impact.

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So for many of us, when we start writing these projects, when we start working on research

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projects, we are just working on whatever is handed to us.

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So we identify a mentor, we go into their lab, we figure out the project that makes

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the most sense to us or is most interesting, or we just take the project that we're given,

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and then we make the most out of it.

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And we're not really thinking about, well, what impact do I really want to have?

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Not usually.

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But it doesn't matter whether you've already started with a project, you even are funded

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to do two or three projects, or four or five.

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It's never too late to go back to ask yourself, what's the impact I want to make with my work?

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And for some of us, where we are is where we are.

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It's like, well, this is a project that came to me out of fellowship, and I've been working

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on it ever since.

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And there's value in that.

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But there is always value in stopping and saying, so what's the piece of this that's

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most important to me?

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What do I hope this research will accomplish?

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And how will that satisfy my need to contribute and to feel that I've contributed meaningfully?

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So it's never too late to go back and say, let me start with why, and let me start with

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figuring out what this research project means to me, or what this line of research means,

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what group or category of patients this research is going to affect, and why that matters to

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me.

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And it's always important because clarifying the why just helps you.

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It helps you go the distance, because this work is hard.

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Being a clinician researcher is not really an escape from clinical care.

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Though I'd argue that many clinicians are trying to escape the burnout that can be associated

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with clinical care.

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Becoming a clinician researcher is not a pathway to escape.

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It's a pathway into a different type of job, no less demanding, and sometimes more challenging

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in different ways than actually working clinically.

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But it is important as you are trying to negotiate this territory and recognize that there's

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so much rejection and so many challenges along the way, is recognizing what this work is

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bringing to you.

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So that for the days that are bad, the days that feel very bad, you have a remembrance

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of why you're there in that space.

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Otherwise, the temptation comes to quit and click for good and just take whatever is next.

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But remember that you should recognize the impact you want to make because it helps you

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be very clear about what tools and what resources you may need to get you there.

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So number two is to understand your need.

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So okay, you've now established that you are going to write proposals and submit them for

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funding.

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You have a sense of the impact that you want to make.

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And the next step is just to understand, so what do you need?

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Within the context of leading a research program, what do you need?

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So let's think about some of the components of what you might need.

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So number one, you need your time to be protected.

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And again, protecting your time is really about making sure that there is time allotted

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during the day for you to actually carry out the activities of your research program.

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And for some of us, that looks like 20% and we're working up to greater than 20%.

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For some of us, maybe that looks like 50% and you're struggling to keep your clinic

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at its 50%.

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And for some of us who may already be on career development awards or beyond, it could be

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75% or more.

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So what you need is important.

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Okay, so you have this grant that's covering your time 75% of the time.

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When does that grant end and what is that bridge to the next award?

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And so recognizing your need allows you to structure your submissions in alignment with

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your need.

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And it's very important just to clarify so that you know how to move forward.

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Number three is to map out the path to help you get there.

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So we talked about your effort as one of the things that you need.

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Another thing is the effort of other people.

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So it's great that you are able to do all the essays in the lab that are relevant.

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But if you're going to be the kind of PI, the kind of clinician, researcher, leader

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that you want to be, you can't be doing all the experiments and thinking about the forward

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direction of the research program at the same time.

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Yeah, when you're starting and you're super early, maybe you can get away with that.

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But as you start to really build over time, and if you're going to make a meaningful impact

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and you have because you've determined a number one what impact you want to make, then you

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want to clarify what do I need?

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What's the path to help me get to where I'm going?

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So I've decided I'm taking this project in hematology.

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I'm really interested in this aspect of it.

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What does it take to get there?

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And recognizing all the resources you need allows you to be clear about, OK, if I'm going

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to secure funding from my time, these are the grant writing opportunities that make

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sense.

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And if I'm going to secure money for my team, these are the grant opportunities that make

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sense.

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And sometimes there's overlap between the grant that funds your protected time and the

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grant that funds your team to do the work as well.

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So knowing where you're going helps you figure out the path to how you get there.

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So number four is to create space in your life to respond to opportunities.

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Again, that's to create space in your life to respond to opportunities.

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One of the things I talk about is the importance of creating writing structures so that day

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in and day out, whether it feels like a good day or it feels like a bad day, you have a

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strategy to improve your writing productivity.

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And so as you're doing that, it allows you to create space for the writing and also create

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space for opportunities.

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So many times, some of these grant funding opportunities are cyclical.

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And so this FOA is released for the next four years.

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You know that in June, there'll be another submission.

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In October, there'll be the next submission.

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And in February, there'll be the next submission.

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So you know that these are opportunities that are coming again and that they haven't expired

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so you can prepare towards them.

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But you're also creating space for when the six-week opportunity comes in where it's like,

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okay, your LOI was expected, go.

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And creating space in your life, especially if you have kind of like established writing

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structures to help you move your research forward, if you have space in your life, when

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those opportunities come, then you can recognize them and more importantly, be able to jump

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on them as well.

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And so creating space so that when opportunities come out, especially those opportunities that

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are time-limited or time-sensitive, then you're able to create space to respond to those opportunities.

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So to some extent, you have two broad categories of opportunities you're applying for, opportunities

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that will come again.

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So the RO1, at least as far as we know it is the RO1 is the RO1 is the RO1.

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It's gonna come again next time.

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That's gonna come again.

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That's cyclical.

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And then there are opportunities that just come.

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They show up.

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And you know that if I don't go for this, I don't know if it'll come back.

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And so you wanna be prepared for the cyclical things that are gonna come every time.

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So you're not like, oh, it's June again and I'm not ready.

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You're like, wait a minute, you knew it was coming in June.

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Because last year they said it was gonna come in June.

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Anyway, so clarifying that is helpful and being ready when those opportunities arise.

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So there's the opportunity that you already knew was coming, then there's the opportunity

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that you didn't know was coming and it's like, go, it's six weeks, go.

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And when you have space in your life, you're able to respond.

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You're able to identify the opportunities that are meaningful to you, the opportunities

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that actually matter, and then you're able to do the next step, which is to commit.

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To commit.

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So there's one thing to find the right grant opportunities.

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There's another thing to clarify that it meets your needs.

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There's another thing to have a path to get there and then to finally be like, I'm gonna

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see this grant submission all the way through.

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It really does take commitment to make a grant go all the way to the finish line.

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You gotta be committed because if you're not committed, the grant may not be funded.

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And then what?

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Does the program die because the grant was not funded?

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And in reality, every time a grant is unfunded, it really is an opportunity for you to stop

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and say, what do I wanna do next?

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And does this proposal still help me?

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Because if that's the answer, if the answer is yes, then you would create space in your

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life to repurpose this grant, either repurpose it or resubmit it.

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So committing to the grant submission allows you to say, I've chosen, I'm moving forward.

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There'll be obstacles, there'll be challenges, but I'm gonna hit the finish line.

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And that may be the most important thing.

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So many people are putting in proposals, but then they are kind of like falling short.

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They're saying, ah, that's not what I wanna do.

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Oh, there's not enough time.

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What we're doing is committing to action, and we're going all the way, all the way,

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all the way.

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Okay, so five teaching points.

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Number one, determine what impact you want to make.

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Number two, understand your need.

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Number three, map out the path to help you get there so you already have a plan.

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And then create space in your life to respond to opportunities so that as they come across

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your desk, you know exactly where to go, you know what to do.

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And then finally, commit.

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You gotta commit, because if you don't commit, really nothing in the world happens without

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commitment.

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So, if you are a mentor who is mentoring a young faculty member, I want to encourage

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you to share this with your mentee and also with other mentees in your program as well.

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And if you are looking to negotiate your academic career, please look us up on clinicianresearcherpodcast.com.

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You can also feel free to DM me on Facebook or on Instagram, and I would happily talk

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with you about your questions.

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All right, it's a pleasure to speak with you today.

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Take care.

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