Finding the right leader for your career

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,860 Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills 2 00:00:05,860 --> 00:00:11,260 to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor. 3 00:00:11,260 --> 00:00:17,340 As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients. 4 00:00:17,340 --> 00:00:22,380 When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find 5 00:00:22,380 --> 00:00:27,780 that our years of clinical training did not adequately prepare us to lead our research 6 00:00:27,780 --> 00:00:29,200 program. 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,480 Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit. 8 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:40,580 However, clinicians hold the keys to the greatest research breakthroughs. 9 00:00:40,580 --> 00:00:46,200 For this reason, the Clinician Researcher podcast exists to give academic clinicians 10 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:51,800 the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor. 11 00:00:51,800 --> 00:01:01,160 Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene. 12 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,080 Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast. 13 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,480 I'm your host, Toyosi Onwuemene, and it is a pleasure to be talking with you today. 14 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,480 Thank you so much for tuning in. 15 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,280 Today I'm talking about how to find the right leader for your career. 16 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,280 And I have a feeling that this one's going to be short. 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,960 Yes, the moment you say it's going to be short, then it's awfully long, but I do have seven 18 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:25,120 things, but I think it'll be really short. 19 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:29,040 So how do you find the right leader for your career, and why does it even really matter? 20 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:34,960 And I think back to earlier on in my career where I had no clue what I was supposed to 21 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:38,640 do as an academic faculty, and you could say, well, that's on you. 22 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,120 You should have gone to figure it out. 23 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,760 I guess I was figuring it out. 24 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,440 And in the meantime, I thought my mentors were going to tell me they were going to be 25 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,440 the ones to help me. 26 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,960 And I really counted on them for so much. 27 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,960 And I was disappointed. 28 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,560 And I think I was disappointed because I just put so much on people. 29 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,160 And at the end of the day, nobody cares about your career like you do. 30 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,800 Nobody's thinking about your life like you are thinking about your life. 31 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,280 And so there I was thinking, oh, I'm not getting the mentoring I need. 32 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,240 Oh, people are not really caring about me. 33 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,560 Oh, my goodness, they're not helping me move forward. 34 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:17,120 And I think what I didn't recognize is that any gift you get from anybody is a gift, and 35 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,880 you just take it as that. 36 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,160 And people are just people. 37 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,460 And there are some people that they connect with more. 38 00:02:22,460 --> 00:02:25,680 Some people they feel like they can see themselves in more than others. 39 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:31,520 You know, your mentor looks at you and they think, wow, that's exactly how I was 10 years 40 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:32,520 ago. 41 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,480 Or they look at you and they're like, I can't even imagine what you were like 10 years ago. 42 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,480 Right. 43 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,760 And so it's just a different experience for different mentors. 44 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,200 And mentors are not superhuman. 45 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:43,520 They're only human. 46 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,840 And if we have challenges in general, right, as far as like how people move forward in 47 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:55,140 their careers, you know, it just it just also applies to our academic institutions as well. 48 00:02:55,140 --> 00:03:02,640 So anyway, just saying that mentoring doesn't always get you where you think it should take 49 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:08,200 you because you have expectations that sometimes don't match what is reality for you as far 50 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,600 as the mentors you have available to you. 51 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,440 So anyway, so I wanted to share with you a couple of things as to how to find the right 52 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,520 leader for your career. 53 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,160 And the first thing I want to say is that this leader that you find for your career 54 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,480 has to really care about you. 55 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,040 Like they've got to care. 56 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,480 They've got to say, wow, you know, they're going to be thinking about you. 57 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,320 They've got to be wondering, OK, how do I make things better for this person? 58 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,400 They've got to really, really care about you. 59 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,720 And why is that relevant? 60 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,600 Because, you know, mentoring or leading someone's career is a big deal, right? 61 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,760 You're considering what are the challenges that they are running into? 62 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,760 What are the things that they really need? 63 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,920 You know, you're thinking about them to some extent. 64 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,600 It kind of is like having a child. 65 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,200 I guess we could call it you're a scientific parent as a leader, as a mentor, helping someone 66 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,280 navigate their own career. 67 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,880 And it works best when you actually care about the person whose career you're helping to 68 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,000 navigate. 69 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,040 And so as you're thinking about who's the right leader for my career, you've got to 70 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,880 recognize that it's going to be someone who actually cares about you. 71 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:14,040 And I think that there are many people in academia who, you know, they're neutral about 72 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,040 you. 73 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,360 I mean, you're someone who needs help and they're available to help. 74 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,360 They're happy to help. 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:23,400 But it doesn't mean like they're invested in you or that they really, really are like, 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,440 I want you to succeed by all means. 77 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,840 There are not too many people in life who actually I mean, not that they don't want 78 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:33,120 that for you, but they're not too many people who care that much. 79 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,320 You know, it's like, hey, I've got a lot to think about. 80 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,600 I've got a lot on my plate. 81 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,560 And I'm not really thinking about you beyond just our interaction here. 82 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,800 And so you just got to recognize that not everybody deeply cares about you like that. 83 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,280 And but but if you're really going to have someone help you lead your career, you do 84 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:54,320 need to find people who actually do care about you. 85 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:59,000 And so you may have mentors or you may have people who help you lead your career who don't 86 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000 care about you like that. 87 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,360 You know, there are different things that you're getting from them and that's OK. 88 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,640 But when you're looking for the one person that you're really going to put your career, 89 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,680 you know, you're going to put your career in their hands, you want to make sure that 90 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,880 they actually really care about you. 91 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:13,880 OK. 92 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,720 The next thing is that this leader actually needs to see your potential where you can't 93 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:20,720 see it. 94 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,000 And so the challenge is that we have so many blind spots. 95 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,640 When we start out in our academic careers, we don't even know what we what we can and 96 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:28,640 cannot do. 97 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:29,640 Right. 98 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:30,640 We don't know our potential. 99 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,280 We don't really recognize how powerful we are. 100 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:35,720 We have no idea who we are. 101 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:41,960 It's like, you know, Superman, who is like, yeah, I'm like, I have all these powers and 102 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,880 it's kind of weird, but I just don't think much of myself. 103 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,440 I think I'm just ordinary like everybody else or maybe better still. 104 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,880 It's like the chicken or the eagle that grows up among chickens. 105 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:57,080 I've heard that story before where you don't even know how far how much you can fly or 106 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:02,440 soar because you've been surrounded by chickens who don't fly, who don't soar. 107 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:08,120 And so it takes another person who's like thinking about you and thinking, wow, you 108 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,360 have potential. 109 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:10,700 You're an eagle. 110 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:11,700 You can do this. 111 00:06:11,700 --> 00:06:12,700 Right. 112 00:06:12,700 --> 00:06:14,920 And they've got to see potential where you can't see it. 113 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:15,920 OK. 114 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,400 The next thing is that this leader actually needs to have a bird's eye view of your entire 115 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,400 career. 116 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:27,120 Now, I'm not just talking about your career as in, you know, your your academic advancement 117 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,440 or your patient care. 118 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,680 They really got to just look at your whole life. 119 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,200 Like, where are you in life? 120 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,520 Are you in a place where you have small children at home and you're not really able to make 121 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,560 the kinds of investments that people who don't are? 122 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,680 Or are you in your career and a place in your career where maybe you have parents who are 123 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,120 aging and really need your support at this time? 124 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,400 Do you are you in a place in your career where you have someone who's a loved one that you're 125 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,840 primarily responsible for who's going through a major illness? 126 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:55,840 Right. 127 00:06:55,840 --> 00:07:01,320 So this person has really got to be able to take into consideration your stage in life, 128 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,360 everything that you're going through. 129 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,920 And they've got to really be able to support you through that. 130 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,280 Again, you know, it's like what this is so idealistic. 131 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:16,280 But this is important because I think in academia, so many times we're so focused on the products 132 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:24,440 of the academy, on papers, on manuscripts, on publications, on grants and presentations 133 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:29,360 and showing up internationally or nationally, you know, all the stuff that helps us move 134 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,480 forward and those things are good. 135 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,000 It's good that we're focused on them. 136 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,360 Where else would we be focused on them? 137 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,720 But they've also got to take into account your big life, your big picture. 138 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,680 And so if we are focused on these things to the exclusion of the big picture of your life 139 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:51,140 and the challenges that are going on in your life, it puts stress on you because even while 140 00:07:51,140 --> 00:07:56,500 nobody else is acknowledging what's going on with you, you know, you're acutely aware 141 00:07:56,500 --> 00:07:58,480 you're having to manage it. 142 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,680 And so this leader has really got to have a bird's eye view, not just of your academic 143 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:08,200 career, but just who you are and where you are in life and what you need at this particular 144 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,800 time of your experience. 145 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,400 Okay. 146 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,840 This leader needs to ride with you through the highs and the lows. 147 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:20,320 So I'd love to say, and you know, that we are not always high, right? 148 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,080 You love to say that, oh, my goodness, everything is always so awesome and life is always so 149 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,080 good. 150 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,400 But there are times when that's not true and things are challenging. 151 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,680 You know, there's the unexpected funeral that, you know, you have to deal with. 152 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:37,920 There's an unexpected illness that you weren't preparing for. 153 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:44,320 There's an unexpected accident where now you need to fix your car or there's an unexpected 154 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,760 pull out of an au pair and now you're kind of left looking for support for your children. 155 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:55,720 And this person has got to be able to go with you through those highs and those lows. 156 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,280 Number five is that this leader needs to support you even when doing so is a sacrifice to their 157 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,400 own personal lives. 158 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,520 So it's like, okay, you need support right now. 159 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,920 I'm going to do it even though it costs me. 160 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,320 And that's a big deal. 161 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,800 It's a big deal to ask people to do things that could potentially cost them. 162 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:19,640 Maybe promoting you may mean that they have to forego like their leadership position. 163 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,060 They're like, you know what? 164 00:09:21,060 --> 00:09:23,960 I think you should go, you should move into this leadership position. 165 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,440 I'm stepping back so that you can step forward. 166 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,680 That's a big deal, right? 167 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:29,360 That's a huge deal. 168 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,400 But really, it's someone putting you forward. 169 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,200 It's someone giving you a platform. 170 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:41,040 And for you to really have someone who's the right leader for your career, they've got 171 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:46,360 to really support you even when it's at a personal cost to them. 172 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:47,860 Okay. 173 00:09:47,860 --> 00:09:52,480 So I say all of those so I can let you know that I really have just created the picture 174 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,400 of an idealistic leader who does not exist in human form. 175 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:02,480 And so you may have a little bit of this in so many different people, but it's a little 176 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,800 bit of each thing in so many different people. 177 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,000 But what you probably don't have is all of it in one person. 178 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,840 So if you think about the person who really cares about you, maybe it's really a parent. 179 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,260 And they certainly are not in your academic environment. 180 00:10:17,260 --> 00:10:21,160 Maybe you work with a family member or maybe your parents are in academia. 181 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:22,160 Good for you. 182 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,480 But most of the time, it's not the way it is. 183 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:30,720 And so yes, you have different people who embody these different things, but you don't 184 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,720 necessarily have one person who embodies all of it. 185 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:40,880 And so if you are not going to be able to find one person who embodies all of this, 186 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,720 then you do have to go to the next best thing. 187 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,480 You have to go to option number two. 188 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,640 So there's no ideal person. 189 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,360 And there might be some people are able to find mentors who they gel with, they connect 190 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,320 with, and the mentor is like, I'm like a parent to you. 191 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,400 I'm going to do everything to promote you. 192 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,800 Some people do find that. 193 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,560 But I want you to know it's very few. 194 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,980 It's less than 20% of people. 195 00:11:06,980 --> 00:11:12,440 And so for the rest of us, the next best thing, which is number seven, is to recognize that 196 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,400 the next best leader is you. 197 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,760 And as I say that, I see people saying, oh, wait a minute, me, haha, don't even really 198 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,480 care about myself like that. 199 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,560 I totally see no potential in my life. 200 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:30,600 I have a struggle with birds eye view of my entire career because I have no idea where 201 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:31,920 I am right now. 202 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,840 And I can't even ride with myself through the highs, much less the lows, right? 203 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,080 You look at yourself and you're like, me, definitely not. 204 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,320 Can we find someone else who will lead my career? 205 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:48,600 And I am sorry to have to break it to you, but it's you. 206 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,760 You cannot find the ideal leader who's going to be all things to you. 207 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,460 And so the next best thing is that you step up and you take ownership. 208 00:11:58,460 --> 00:12:01,040 You take ownership for your experience. 209 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,800 You take ownership of your, you take leadership. 210 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,440 You take up the leadership mantle for your own career. 211 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,480 But what does that mean, though? 212 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,320 It means you've got to do things a little bit differently. 213 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,080 It means you first of all, got to actually start to really care about yourself. 214 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:21,800 So the whole thing, maybe this is not you, but for somebody hypothetically who doesn't 215 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,720 care enough about themselves, right? 216 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:31,400 Who is not sleeping enough, not eating right, not exercising, right? 217 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,800 Not really caring for themselves as they should. 218 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,560 Then what do they do? 219 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:38,640 Well, you got to get there. 220 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,520 You've got to do the work to be able to really see yourself as someone you really need to 221 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:44,520 care for. 222 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,360 And sometimes it's hard because I think in medicine, our training leads us to kind of 223 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:55,600 put ourselves last and to some extent sacrifice our personal experience on the altar of other 224 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,760 people's moving forward, especially patient care. 225 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,080 And so sometimes it's hard for us to actually really care for ourselves. 226 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,960 And it takes time. 227 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,080 And it takes work. 228 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,880 And for some of us, it takes going to therapy and so that we can do that work and do that 229 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,500 work in therapy. 230 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:18,080 Or for some of us, then that's work that we have to do in coaching. 231 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:24,120 And whatever the venue where you do the work, where you learn to care for yourself and take 232 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,240 care first of your own oxygen, right? 233 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,480 You take care of putting on your mask first before you go on to try to save the universe, 234 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:32,480 right? 235 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,520 You really got to do that work so that you can do that well. 236 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:42,160 And the other thing you need to do as you want to become this best leader for yourself 237 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,060 is you got to just go get the training needed, right? 238 00:13:46,060 --> 00:13:49,760 You want to read books, you want to attend professional development, you want to attend 239 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:50,760 career development events. 240 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:56,080 You want to do things that help you grow as a person because when you grow as a person, 241 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,560 then you're really able to lead your career as you're supposed to. 242 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:05,940 And so you really, really, really have an opportunity where there's a gap. 243 00:14:05,940 --> 00:14:07,680 There's no one to lead. 244 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,640 You may have a great mentor, but most people do not. 245 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,460 There's an opportunity to lead. 246 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:17,720 There's an opportunity to really lead the people who are helping you lead your experience, 247 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:18,720 right? 248 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:19,720 So you do have mentors. 249 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:24,000 Okay, maybe there's not one of them that's like a superstar mentor leader, as I've just 250 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,840 described, but you do have those who are around you and are there to help you. 251 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:34,320 And so you get the training you need so that you can help them give you the kind of advice 252 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,640 that helps you get where you're going, right? 253 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:42,820 It means disclosing things as needed to say, hey, I know that this next two weeks is crunch 254 00:14:42,820 --> 00:14:47,880 time for this abstract, but I'm going to sit this abstract submission out because x, y, 255 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:48,880 z, right? 256 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:55,980 It's you being able to be bold and confident to say, I'm going to take the leadership mantle 257 00:14:55,980 --> 00:15:00,440 for my own career because I actually really understand what I'm going through and what 258 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,000 needs to be done. 259 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,480 But it will take time for you to get the training that's needed to become the leader that you 260 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,640 need to be to lead your own career. 261 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:13,440 So the question I want to ask you to consider as you go on to this week is what do you need 262 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,960 to do to develop the leader within you? 263 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,480 How do you move this leader forward? 264 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,380 How do you help this leader succeed? 265 00:15:19,380 --> 00:15:24,800 How do you help yourself succeed so that you can lead yourself in the way you want to? 266 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,920 And it's important because as you learn to lead yourself, then you're really open to 267 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,280 leading a lot more other people. 268 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,360 And to be honest, we need leaders like you. 269 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,640 We need leaders who care for themselves well enough where we know that, well, if you treat 270 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,440 yourself well, it's a sign that you're going to treat other people well. 271 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,240 But if you treat yourself poorly, then we're suspicious that you're going to treat other 272 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,720 people under your leadership poorly too. 273 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,120 And so what do you need to do to begin to develop a leader within you so that you can 274 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,840 really lead yourself in your experience and then turn around and lead others as well? 275 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,640 OK, so just to summarize, this leader's got to really care about you. 276 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,840 They've got to see potential where you can't see it. 277 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,480 They need to have a bird's eye view of your entire career. 278 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,120 They need to ride with you through the highs and the lows. 279 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:13,480 They need to support you even when doing so would be a sacrifice to themselves personally. 280 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,100 And I list all these things and let you know that this leader probably doesn't exist in 281 00:16:18,100 --> 00:16:19,100 human form. 282 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:23,680 And so the next best thing is you is to develop yourself to be the leader that you need to 283 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:24,680 be. 284 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:25,680 All right. 285 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,120 I think that is short. 286 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,320 I am coming to the end of it. 287 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,280 And I just want to thank you for taking the time to listen to today's episode. 288 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,840 And I look forward to talking with you again the next time. 289 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:37,840 Have a great day. 290 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,880 And please share this podcast episode with someone. 291 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:42,880 All right. 292 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:50,640 Bye. 293 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:56,000 Thanks for listening to this episode of the Clinician Researcher Podcast, where academic 294 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,400 clinicians learn the skills to build their own research program, whether or not they 295 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:02,800 have a mentor. 296 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:08,920 If you found the information in this episode 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