Hidden treasures in your library with Leila Ledbetter and Sarah Cantrell

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Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills

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to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.

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As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients.

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When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find

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that our years of clinical training did not adequately prepare us to lead our research

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program.

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Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit.

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However, clinicians hold the keys to the greatest research breakthroughs.

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For this reason, the Clinician Researcher podcast exists to give academic clinicians

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the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.

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Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene.

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Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast.

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I'm your host, Toyosi Onwuemene, and it is such a pleasure to be here today.

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I'm super, super excited about today's episode because we have two amazing, not one, but

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two amazing librarians who are here to talk to us about how they support clinician researchers.

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I am so excited to talk with them, and without much further ado, because I want them to introduce

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themselves, I want to go ahead and introduce to you Leila and Sarah.

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Welcome both of you.

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Hello.

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Thank you so much for having us.

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Hi, everybody.

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My name is Leila Ledbetter.

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I am one of the research and education librarians at the Medical Center Library and Archives.

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We'll talk a tiny, tiny bit about that here at the Duke Medical Center.

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My personal role is I am a liaison, so sort of like the diplomat between the library and

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the Duke School of Nursing, but all of us librarians support across the population.

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So if you write in and ask a question as a clinician researcher, you may get me answering

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your question, or you may get Sarah, or you may get one of our other lovely librarians.

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So I'll pass it off to Sarah.

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Thank you so much, Toyosi, for having us.

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This is a real fun privilege for us.

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So I'm Sarah Cantrell, and I'm the associate director for research and education at the

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Medical Center Library and Archives.

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In this role, I'm responsible for developing, implementing, and evaluating the library's

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research and education programs and our services surrounding that.

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I'm also the liaison to the graduate medical education program, so I specifically support

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all of the interns, the residents, and trainees and fellows.

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So in terms of my role in supporting clinician and clinical researchers, I'd say I provide

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significant support in the area of evidence-based practice, evidence synthesis, such as systematic

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reviews, as well as in research impact and publication tracking.

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I also teach a lot of skills to clinician researchers, such as comprehensive searching

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techniques.

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And I would also just want to add that our library as a whole provides services and the

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collections that are really necessary to further educational research, clinical and

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administrative activities throughout really your careers and in the biomedical field.

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Wow.

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Thank you both for introducing yourself.

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So it's funny, I started out saying you're both librarians, which is really simplistic.

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And I appreciate how you really fleshed it out to say, hey, yes, we're librarians, but

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look at how much we do, which is so awesome.

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And so I want to thank you for introducing yourselves so extensively.

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And I want to thank you for the work you do.

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And I'm hoping that today is the day that the audience gets to figure out how much value

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librarians can bring to their...

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Actually, to be honest, it sounds like you can help in so many ways, not just in clinical

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research.

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So I want to explore some of that today.

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So I think I will start by asking Sarah, what is the highest value you give to clinician

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researchers who work with you?

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Sure.

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First, it's really hard to distill this to one single gift because the library, I think,

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is a gift in and of itself.

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And the library has so many rich gifts in terms of collections and our research-focused services.

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But ultimately, I am going to say it is our people.

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All library staff have deep expertise and knowledge in their content areas.

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And we all share really strong service mentality.

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librarians in particular within the research and education department who are really kind

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of our patron, forward-facing public services team, we really serve as research connectors

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and catalysts.

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I'd also add that our librarians are all highly trained, experienced professionals.

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We all have advanced degrees.

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We have, you know, in terms of things that are going to be really useful to the clinician

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researcher and a gift.

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I think it's truly our strong command of advanced literature searching across dozens of biomedical

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databases.

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In addition, I know that people often will think of librarians and searching, but we

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do more than that.

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We have a new data management program.

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And within this, we're really providing support and guidance and training around the new NIH

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data management and sharing policy requirements that is really a mandate from the NIH that

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will affect anybody with NIH funding.

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And that service there is helpful if this is your first time having to put together

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something like a data management plan.

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So that's the sort of guidance that we can help you with.

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What does a good data management plan look like?

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What repository should I be considering for my data?

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And along those lines again of NIH funding, we're also providing support with the NIH

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public access policy and compliance around that mandate as well.

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Additionally, we're really offering researchers the tools that are needed to take control

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of their scholarly profiles, their publication history.

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We want you to be able to evaluate your personal research impact.

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If you're working with collaborators to evaluate the research impact of that team or how people

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are collaborating together or who at Duke is working on a certain topic.

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And we also offer a lot of scholarly communication expertise.

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And I know that phrase might be odd or new scholarly communication, but it's really that

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whole business and process of manuscript writing and getting your work published.

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And there's so many different interesting things surrounding that like open access.

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So we're able to provide a lot of support in that open access realm.

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Like should I be publishing open access?

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Like I don't understand.

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This journal has a traditional model and this open access model.

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Is this open access journal potentially predatory, quote unquote?

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So we can provide a lot of help there.

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And I know I'm taking a little bit of time here, but I do think that when people think

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of libraries, they think of collections, right?

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Deep rich biomedical collections, such as those journals that are so important to you

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and your research and the biomedical databases that are connecting you to different articles

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and resources.

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You know, we have these things, but we also have a medical center archives and that archives

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collects the important histories of Duke health.

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That includes faculty, staff, students, organizations.

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We have some papers of our Nobel laureates.

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We have, you know, we're processing right now this collection that is really the history

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of the rice diet.

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So there's lots of gems and things to uncover and discover there as well.

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And librarians and archivists who can help you with that.

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But ultimately our gift is truly our people, the people who are enabling access to these

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collections who are making sure that things are running well for you, who educate you

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in how to best use these tools to be knowledgeable consumers of information and really are strong

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expertise in evidence synthesis, research impact and data management.

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Whoa, thank you.

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We do so much stuff that was like I'm ticking in my head all the things that we're probably

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forgetting.

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Right.

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So what's the central point of information processing?

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It is super awesome.

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You know, it's funny as you're going through that list, I'm like, Oh my goodness, I'm not

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even getting the most out of you.

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But this is really awesome because what I'm hearing, you know, so there's the sense of

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at least I grew up with the sense of the library is the place you go when you need something

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and you go get a journal article or you go get a book.

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So what I'm hearing really is that you are partners in this process and partners in research,

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partners in publication, partners also in the clinical space.

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You're really partners with deep expertise in access to information, how to get it, how

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to present it and really how to share it as well.

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Yes, yes.

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Exactly.

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You're so good at this, Tayosi.

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I was trying to think of a way to squish this in.

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One of the things that we can help with is scientific posters.

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We'll sometimes get help people coming by and saying, would you have a look at our poster?

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Would you help me lay one out?

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Like not done one before I'm getting ready for a professional conference.

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That's like one of the little things that a few of our librarians have expertise in.

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So yeah, there's so many little things we can help with.

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Layla, I'm going to want you to speak a little bit more about this.

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Oh no.

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No, this is good.

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This is good.

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Now, I know that what you're not looking for is someone who's like, oh, my poster is due

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tomorrow.

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Dear librarians, I need your help.

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So what does engaging your help well look like when it comes to, for example, poster

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presentations?

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Okay.

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So that's actually a really good lead in.

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When you're asking us for help of any kind, so I'm going to actually, since you sort of

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started with that, so a timeline and deadlines are always super, super important because

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we're sort of, I like to tell some of my students and stuff that we're a little bit like a doctor's

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office.

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Like there's likelihood of getting in right away may not be great.

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So there's always a good idea to sort of plan ahead usually two or three days because we

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have so many people asking us for so many things.

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But if you submit a request, what we usually ask for is some sort of context, like what,

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you know, any kind of detail you can provide.

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So if this is for a literature search, what do you need and why?

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Is this for a proposal?

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Is this for an article?

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You doing a systematic review?

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Is this for a class, a class assignment, something like that?

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So we ask for that in order to be efficient.

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People sometimes ask people like what have you done already, what databases have you

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looked in, what have you searched with, just so we're not sort of doubling back and, you

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know, annoying you by doing something you've already done before.

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Like any place you feel like you got stuck, that kind of thing is super, super helpful.

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And what we usually ask for is like how much help do you want?

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So if we're helping with a poster, be like when does this do, how much stuff have you

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put in, you know, where, what do you need help with?

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Do you need help with layout?

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Do you need more information to go in the poster?

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But if you're looking for a literature search, we'll say, so librarians, you probably all

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know this already, but we have a tendency to give you all of the things.

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So if you don't want all of the things, but information overload, you should just let

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us know, like, hey, I was at a cocktail party and I have trying to prove a point for a question

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somebody asked us, so we just need like an article or two, or I'm providing a little

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bit of background for this paper or so I just need, I don't know, 10 articles or I need

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something for a class or just whatever.

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I'm exploring a research topic.

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Can you help me look to see if anything is out there?

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So, or I'm doing an evidence synthesis and that means I want everything and like, and

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then we'll ask you like, when do you need that guy, that kind of thing.

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So that's usually what I would say is if you're asking us, but more detail, the better.

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And that includes like asking us for classes.

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So if you're interested in individual instruction on like reference management or open access

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or having us come in and talk to your lab, for example, about something like open access

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or research impact or citation management, just as much detail as you can provide will

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help us sort of be able to get back to you faster.

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And to piggyback on what Leila was saying about and what I think Toyosi, you were getting

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at with like posters do the next day.

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So, you know, of course we understand that people are busy and that, you know, some things

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I'm known to procrastinate myself.

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It does happen.

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But in those cases, I would just to raise awareness.

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I mean, we are engaged, happy to help you service, but we also are a high volume service.

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So last year, I was just checking, we answered close to 10,000 reference questions.

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So just be mindful that we are like, we've got our hands in many different pots and are

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communicating with lots of different researchers and students and teams across Duke Health.

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So, you know, as Leila said, a few days a week, you know, that's usually a realistic

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timeframe for some smaller questions, systematic reviews and evidence synthesis work.

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That's kind of a different story just because it is a really different type of project.

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Sure.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for pointing that out.

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So it's funny.

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What I'm hearing is that while people like me are just waking up to how valuable you

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are, other people are using you all the time.

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So you're busy.

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And if people want to get the most out of you, they do need to consider that you are

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consummate professionals with full-time jobs, happy to help, but really needing lead-in

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time to be able to give your best effort.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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So I'm wondering if that answers that question about how researchers can come prepared to

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get the most value or if there's something more you want to add.

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I don't think so.

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I think Leila really hit it on the head, just a communication of that need, what you've

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tried or what your vision is, because not everything is a literature search.

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So if it is something like I am looking to figure out my research impact or I need help

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with X, Y, or Z timeframes, just extent of that need is really all we need to get started.

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Sure.

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That sounds really good.

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Can I double down on something you said?

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You talk about figuring out your research impact.

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Why is that important?

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And how will you help people do that?

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That is a really, really great question.

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So here, what I'm kind of lopping into that category is particularly for people who are

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on the tenure path.

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So when you're putting together your portfolio and you're kind of thinking about all of your

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publications, your presentations, your posters, and trying to get a sense for yourself of

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the impact you've had in your specific field.

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And I really do want to emphasize your specific field because it is not fair to compare a

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researcher in a niche pediatric specialty with a researcher in adult cardiology.

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It's just two different researchers.

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So kind of really thinking about the ethical use and responsible use of publication metrics.

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So thinking about how many times your articles have been cited.

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Where have they been cited?

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What are the journals that you're publishing in?

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Are those the top journals within your niche specialty area?

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Because it's not always going to be Nature and Lancet and New England Journal of Medicine.

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So we're really trying to help people understand the full scholarly picture and to understand

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what these metrics mean, like journal impact factor, like H index for an author, and how

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those things might be used in an evaluative capacity and to give you all the information

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you need to kind of ensure that you are being represented as fully, fully and clearly as

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possible.

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We also look at, so that's really at the individual level.

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A lot of times departments will contact us and say, you know, we're kind of just doing

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an internal analysis and just want to really see where people in our department are publishing,

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who's getting cited, like what papers are getting cited the most, because we want to

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highlight this in our department newsletter.

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And then other people might contact us because they want to show, for example, they're putting

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together a grant and they want to show that this is the perfect team of people to be working

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together.

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They've either collaborated before or this is an opportunity for collaboration.

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So that's the type of-

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An international team or inter-institutional team.

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So I know, like, I guess, thank you for pointing out that research impact is sort of like this

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buzzword that maybe only makes sense to a small number of librarians, but it really

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has to deal with that scholarly output, things like journal articles and presentations and

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sort of thinking about those metrics that surround them for better or worse, because

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people will use them of helping you understand that full sphere of things.

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That is really awesome.

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So now adding to your list of amazing things that you do, do you get people promoted?

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We might be able to help a little bit.

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No, that's for real, Allison, because I mean, if you think about, I mean, as you're talking,

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I'm thinking about the intellectual development statement when you're writing your packet

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for promotion, and that's one of the things you do need to explain.

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What's your impact?

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And for many of us in specialty fields, we're not going to be publishing in these major

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high impact journals.

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And how do we explain that?

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Because it's an opportunity to explain it.

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And it sounds like you help with that.

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Yes.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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And we have a research professional who kind of leads a service within our research and

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education department, who's really what our lead for research impact, bibliometrics, which

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is a type of a scientific approach to analyzing citations and publication tracking.

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And we have kind of a core around that service.

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So there is that support here within the library.

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That is really awesome.

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Thank you.

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Sure.

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And my next question is, what's the one thing about your role that every clinician researcher

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should know?

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And I want to tack on to that.

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You guys are at Duke and Duke is a great place.

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Is this the norm for librarians everywhere?

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Oh, gosh, that's such a good question.

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So remind me of the second piece after I answer the first piece.

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So usually what I would like everyone to know is that we're not like the traditional like

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bun and the librarian that most people think of when they think of librarian.

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In fact, some universities and places actually instead of calling them librarians, which

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come with a very specific sort of stereotypical, they'll call them informationists, for example.

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But we still we love the name library and we're going to stick with it.

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But because we're a service department, we're a service unit and we work with words and

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we work with computers, we sometimes get sort of unintentionally mistaken for like administrative

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assistants or like homework help.

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But we're really information experts, right?

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We help you do research and we contribute expertise in any of your sort of research

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projects from like, how do I write this paper?

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How do I get it published?

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How do I collect data?

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Where do I store the data?

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So kind of any of that piece.

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So we often partner with teams on things like systematic reviews, evidence synthesis of

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those kinds or bibliometric research projects.

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And what we do for those is we essentially collect your data.

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So if you're trying to find all the literature on a topic, Toyo, so you know this because

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you've worked with me.

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We'll gather all that data for you and then you get to start off.

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If you're doing a bibliometric research impact project, we gather all that data for you,

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give it to you to work with and give you advice on how to work with that.

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The data gathering is not by magic.

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I will say, right, Leila, it is not a swish and flick.

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That is where the real deep expertise and the wrangling of the controlled vocabulary

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in these databases, the knowledge of the syntax within these systems, the expertise in understanding

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the scholarly communication and citation sort of landscape.

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But yes, data gatherers.

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Yes, like a balancing.

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So if you ask me a question and I'm like, oh gosh, there's a lot of information out

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there.

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And we try to sort of balance that.

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We usually call sensitivity and specificity, like getting you your answer to the question,

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but not too much and not too little, right?

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All of that stuff.

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Because we do all of this, we frequently, at least for evidence synthesis, we frequently

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ask for authorship.

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And so a lot of times people are surprised when we ask that.

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But we're like, we've contributed a lot intellectually to this project.

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But not for everything, obviously.

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If you write to ask me for an answer to a cocktail question, cocktail party question,

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I'm not asking for authorship.

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So whatever big data projects, I probably would.

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And the institution question.

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Yes, thank you.

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I was like, oh wait, she asked me a second part.

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So I would say, so we just got back from our Medical Library Association conference, which

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is a huge conference with all of us spread out across the country and the world.

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And it varies a lot from institution to institution.

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But most of us do offer all of these services.

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They all depend on budget and staffing.

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But in some way, shape or form, depending on what institution you're at, your librarian

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will at the very least be able to point you in the right direction for help with any of

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those things.

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This is all pretty typical.

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Yeah, agreed.

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And just one thing that I would add in terms of one thing about our role that every clinician

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researcher should know is that we're also educators.

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So whether that's teaching clinicians, the researchers, trainees, students, we're teaching

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you and the team skills, including how to use the citation management software like

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EndNote or Zotero, thinking about data, best practices and management, using tools and

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software to help create your NIH bio sketches, how to craft searches in PubMed and so on.

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But as Leila said, we don't serve in that administrative assistant capacity.

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So we don't manage your EndNote libraries for you, but we teach you how to do that.

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So we really want to teach you so that you can do your work effectively.

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And we really focus on that whole lifelong learning.

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We want you to be successful.

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We're here to help.

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Absolutely.

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And there are times like with systematic reviews, really our involvement is really required.

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But for a lot of other things, we really do also see ourselves in with an educator mission

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as well.

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We really want you because you don't want to have to wait for me to check my email and

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then look at the answer and then get back to you if you can do it yourself.

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So a lot of times we'll actually ask that when we do you want to know how to do this

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yourself?

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Do you want me to do it for you?

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Or do you want to?

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And almost everybody wants to know how to do it themselves.

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So they don't have to rely on it.

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We all love to learn and we all want to be experts at what we do.

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And so most people want to learn.

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Sure, so I hear in that also you empower people to do their jobs better as well.

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Efficiently, hopefully.

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If you know we have this cool tool, we get very excited about it.

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Empower is the right word.

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I can't name how many tools I've learned just emailing and it seems like Leila, you're the

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one who's always checking the email.

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And I just love me.

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We must have a connection.

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It is that too.

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That too.

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I recently shared a trick you taught me in Scopus about how to find what journals publish

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articles that are similar to one that you're working on, which was so neat.

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I shared that at a conference a couple of weeks ago and people were like, I've never

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heard that.

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I'm like, you've got to talk to your library.

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I'm so glad.

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I'm so glad.

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So if you want to know how to do that, just write to the library and one of us will show

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you that it's a really super easy, simple trick.

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You've got lots of tricks, which is why my next question is tell us about a life hack

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that you can share with researchers.

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I can start this one and I'll let Leila share one too, because I think we have so many life

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hacks as you've alluded to Toyosi.

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We have so many different things that we can share that are really with that aim of making

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your life easier, especially in terms of areas related to searching, to research impact analysis,

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to management planning, and so much more, and finding that right home for your manuscript,

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like what journals are publishing on this topic.

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One life hack that I would like to share, particularly for the earlier career clinician

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researchers, is making sure that you're starting to get that handle over your kind of what

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I would call scholarly profile.

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You can think about it like a CV, right?

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But in this case, I'm talking about making sure that you set up an ORCID profile, and

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I'm going to explain what ORCID is.

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It's O-R-C-I-D.

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And then I'm going to want you to link your ORCID profile to Scholars at Duke, and if

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you know that you're going to need to be putting together NIH bio sketches to Science CV.

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So ORCID is a nonprofit organization that provides you with a 16-digit unique researcher

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profile number.

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So it's like a social security number that's personalized to you.

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And it's an online system that essentially allows you to build a researcher CV where

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you're linking out or providing your work history, your publications, your awards, your

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grants, all in kind of one public-facing profile.

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And also the really nice thing about that unique 16-digit ID is that also helps disambiguate

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you from all of the other researchers who may have a similar name to you or the same

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name as you.

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So by setting up your ORCID, which you may have done if you've ever had to submit an

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article for a publication and the Scholars One profile system asks you what your ORCID

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is, you may have quickly created one and you have the number, but have you actually populated

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your profile?

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Have you put the publications in there?

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Because I like to, you know, there's the work harder or work smarter, not harder.

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Sorry, work smarter, not harder.

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And ORCID allows you to do that.

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So you're just going to manage your publications and claim them in one spot in ORCID.

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ORCID will like go pull things for you.

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It will.

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Automatically.

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It's not like you're sitting there typing it all in.

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No, no, no, no.

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You're going to search and link.

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And then ORCID talks to other systems, such as our faculty profile system, Scholars at

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Duke.

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So you just need to go into your settings and link your ORCID.

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So you don't have to sit there and claim all your publications in your Scholars at Duke

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profile.

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You just link your ORCID.

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Similarly, that works with Science CD.

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You don't have to sit there and generate a new bibliography each time.

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You can link your ORCID and pull publications into your biosketch that way.

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Unless it's institution agnostic.

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So we don't want you to leave Duke.

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But if you left Duke, it is not tied to the Duke system.

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And there's a good chance that wherever you go, you're going to be able to use it again.

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So start building that ORCID profile now.

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And if you have questions about it, that is the perfect thing to have a consultation with

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us about.

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I have the ORCID ID in my signature line in my email.

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So that just to promote myself.

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So it'll be like, here's all my stuff and here's my ORCID.

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You'd like to go see my publications.

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So I think it's a really great marketing self-promotion thing as well.

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I like it.

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00:30:27,860 --> 00:30:30,180
And it's a low key self-promotion thing.

473
00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:31,180
Yeah.

474
00:30:31,180 --> 00:30:36,580
Come see all the cool stuff I do.

475
00:30:36,580 --> 00:30:38,940
So do you have a life hack to add?

476
00:30:38,940 --> 00:30:39,940
Oh, gosh.

477
00:30:39,940 --> 00:30:40,940
Oh, gosh.

478
00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:44,380
Well, we've talked a little bit about citation management.

479
00:30:44,380 --> 00:30:50,860
And I'm still surprised by meeting scholars and researchers who are not using some sort

480
00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:53,820
of reference manager or citation software.

481
00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:58,260
Some of times it's because they tried once, like way back in the day, and it was really

482
00:30:58,260 --> 00:31:00,020
overwhelming and they didn't like it.

483
00:31:00,020 --> 00:31:01,020
So they just bailed.

484
00:31:01,020 --> 00:31:04,620
But the tools are getting better and easier.

485
00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:07,260
If one doesn't work for you, another might.

486
00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:10,060
And we're very familiar with most of them.

487
00:31:10,060 --> 00:31:14,100
So you could come to us and say, I tried EndNote and I found EndNote to make my head

488
00:31:14,100 --> 00:31:15,100
implode.

489
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:17,700
And so can you suggest something else?

490
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:19,260
And we'll suggest something else.

491
00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:24,420
Or I'm using Zotero, but it maybe doesn't have all the things I need it to do.

492
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:26,140
Could you show me how to use EndNote?

493
00:31:26,140 --> 00:31:28,220
And it's easy to swap back and forth.

494
00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:32,980
But what these do, for those of you who have not heard of one, is they help you gather

495
00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:37,660
all your researches or trolling around databases and in the internet.

496
00:31:37,660 --> 00:31:40,860
And somebody suggests something on Twitter and all that kind of stuff.

497
00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:46,180
You can gather it all in one place and organize it like your own personal library of all the

498
00:31:46,180 --> 00:31:48,100
citations that you care about.

499
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:53,540
And not just like in PubMed that has like 38 million citations or something like that.

500
00:31:53,540 --> 00:31:56,020
It'll be just the stuff that you would care about in your research.

501
00:31:56,020 --> 00:32:00,160
You can attach the PDF and then you can take that tool and write with it.

502
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,740
So most people are probably using or have touched one at one point or another.

503
00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:08,660
But that's kind of a big one we get asked about a lot.

504
00:32:08,660 --> 00:32:11,620
Sarah, did you want to maybe talk about like search alerts?

505
00:32:11,620 --> 00:32:13,420
That's how I certainly help.

506
00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:14,420
Yeah, I guess.

507
00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:18,340
Yeah, there's probably just two things I can quickly touch on.

508
00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:24,700
Other hacks really include setting up PubMed search alerts so that you receive email notifications

509
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:29,000
when new articles get published on topics of interest to you.

510
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,500
We know that it's really hard to keep up with research in your field.

511
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:38,460
And what we've found is, I mean, the librarian can help you craft a targeted search and will

512
00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:43,140
show you how to do that search in PubMed, set up a customized search alert that would

513
00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:49,900
just notify you weekly, monthly, any time new citations appear in PubMed that meet those

514
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:52,900
search parameters.

515
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:58,060
And that can also be helpful for journal article table of contents too, where we can just set

516
00:32:58,060 --> 00:33:01,740
up a search for specific journals in PubMed.

517
00:33:01,740 --> 00:33:07,060
And again, you'd be alerted through email anytime there's a new issue out.

518
00:33:07,060 --> 00:33:11,420
And then the databases, sorry, any of the databases will actually do this.

519
00:33:11,420 --> 00:33:16,940
So if you prefer, PubMed is the one we're all familiar with, but we have a lot of really

520
00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:19,380
super cool databases there.

521
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:24,540
My personal favorite is Embase, and you can do a search in there and it will send you

522
00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:25,980
search alerts as well.

523
00:33:25,980 --> 00:33:28,020
And they have a different journal set.

524
00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:31,900
I mean, there's an overlap, but there's also a bunch of unique journals in that database.

525
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:34,060
And so you could set up a couple of different ones.

526
00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:36,780
You're always getting information from around the world.

527
00:33:36,780 --> 00:33:40,980
And the last thing, oh, I'm so sorry.

528
00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:48,500
The very last thing is that you should remember that we subsidize interlibrary loan fees.

529
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:55,180
That's another jargon, late in term, but interlibrary loan is just the process that a library uses

530
00:33:55,180 --> 00:34:01,460
to obtain articles and books that we don't personally have in our collection.

531
00:34:01,460 --> 00:34:07,180
We can get it to you through a sharing opportunity with other libraries.

532
00:34:07,180 --> 00:34:10,500
So some places charge for this service.

533
00:34:10,500 --> 00:34:11,500
We do not.

534
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:13,860
We, our library, absorbs those costs.

535
00:34:13,860 --> 00:34:17,900
So if there is an article or book that you need and it is not in our collections, we

536
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:19,780
don't pay for it.

537
00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:20,780
Don't pay for it.

538
00:34:20,780 --> 00:34:21,780
Come on.

539
00:34:21,780 --> 00:34:22,780
Don't pay the $40 to $60.

540
00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:28,140
We can request it from another institution at no charge to you.

541
00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:31,700
And the turnaround time can be as short as one business day.

542
00:34:31,700 --> 00:34:37,260
Sometimes plan ahead, plan ahead, but plan ahead.

543
00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:38,260
And that's awesome.

544
00:34:38,260 --> 00:34:40,580
I'm also hearing that you save people time.

545
00:34:40,580 --> 00:34:45,820
So you have these hacks that are really productivity hacks to help people not keep having to do

546
00:34:45,820 --> 00:34:47,820
things over and over again.

547
00:34:47,820 --> 00:34:51,100
It's like, do the orchid and then you're done.

548
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:54,020
Do the alerts and then you're done.

549
00:34:54,020 --> 00:34:55,020
That's awesome.

550
00:34:55,020 --> 00:34:56,020
Exactly.

551
00:34:56,020 --> 00:34:57,020
That's awesome.

552
00:34:57,020 --> 00:34:59,180
So we're excited about this next question.

553
00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:04,380
What is one new item that all clinician researchers should know right now?

554
00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:06,820
I am so excited to share this news.

555
00:35:06,820 --> 00:35:15,940
So our libraries recently entered an institutional agreement with the journal publisher PLOS to

556
00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:24,220
cover article processing charges for Duke published research.

557
00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:30,240
So basically this agreement stipulates that any Duke corresponding author, so you do have

558
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,340
to be the corresponding author.

559
00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:38,260
But if your work is accepted into any of the PLOS journals, you will not have to pay the

560
00:35:38,260 --> 00:35:40,460
associated open access fee.

561
00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:44,460
PLOS is a highly regarded journal publisher.

562
00:35:44,460 --> 00:35:46,500
These are really high researching impact.

563
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:47,500
Yep.

564
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:49,180
They are top tier.

565
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:55,100
And those open access fees are typically between like $3,000 to $5,000 per article.

566
00:35:55,100 --> 00:36:01,140
So through this agreement, if your work after peer review is accepted and you're the Duke

567
00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:06,340
corresponding author, you will not have to pay the article processing charges.

568
00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:10,860
And I will also add that according to some of the internal publication analyses that

569
00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:17,740
our library has done of Duke authored publications, PLOS journals actually are kind of the top

570
00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:20,860
journals that Duke is publishing in.

571
00:36:20,860 --> 00:36:25,460
Like by raw numbers, Duke authors are publishing in PLOS journals the most.

572
00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:31,660
So we really hope that you will all take advantage of this incredible agreement that we've entered

573
00:36:31,660 --> 00:36:32,660
into.

574
00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:33,660
Saving so much money.

575
00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:34,660
Wow.

576
00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:35,660
Wow.

577
00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:37,580
That is incredible.

578
00:36:37,580 --> 00:36:41,700
So now adding to your role, saving and investing.

579
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:44,820
Because it's an investment, right?

580
00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:50,540
You get your article into a highly ranked journal and that does help you in terms of your ability.

581
00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:52,620
Yes, that's right.

582
00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:53,620
That's right.

583
00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:54,620
That's right.

584
00:36:54,620 --> 00:36:55,620
Yeah.

585
00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:56,620
Thank you.

586
00:36:56,620 --> 00:36:57,620
Wow.

587
00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:58,620
That's so awesome.

588
00:36:58,620 --> 00:36:59,620
All right.

589
00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:02,580
Now I have to go look at my list of upcoming manuscripts or submission and see if there's

590
00:37:02,580 --> 00:37:03,580
a fit.

591
00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:07,700
What are the journals in the PLOS family, if you don't mind sharing?

592
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:08,700
Oh gosh.

593
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:13,180
Sarah's like looking that up while I stall.

594
00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:16,580
They have quite a few in it.

595
00:37:16,580 --> 00:37:21,540
Every time we talk about it, they've added another like specialty journal.

596
00:37:21,540 --> 00:37:23,140
Yes.

597
00:37:23,140 --> 00:37:28,220
I will say, which journal?

598
00:37:28,220 --> 00:37:29,660
Okay.

599
00:37:29,660 --> 00:37:40,500
These include PLOS One, PLOS Medicine, PLOS Water, PLOS Sustainability and Transformation,

600
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:48,020
PLOS Pathogens, PLOS Neglected Tropical Diseases, PLOS Global Public Health, PLOS Genetics,

601
00:37:48,020 --> 00:37:54,140
PLOS Digital Health, PLOS Biology, PLOS Climate and PLOS Computational Biology.

602
00:37:54,140 --> 00:37:55,140
Okay.

603
00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:56,700
That's got a broad range.

604
00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:59,540
PLOS Medicine definitely seems like a potential fit.

605
00:37:59,540 --> 00:38:04,020
A lot of people publishing in PLOS One.

606
00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:05,020
Okay.

607
00:38:05,020 --> 00:38:06,500
Because that was the original.

608
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:07,500
Yeah.

609
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:08,500
Got it.

610
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:09,500
Got it.

611
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:13,980
Now, I want to say from my viewers who are not from Duke, is this something that other

612
00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:16,740
institutions are thinking about?

613
00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:20,100
Can others look forward to these kinds of agreements?

614
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:21,900
Yes.

615
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,060
I think so.

616
00:38:23,060 --> 00:38:35,900
It is certainly costly, but for I would say large research one universities, this is definitely

617
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:46,420
I think where some of the scholarly services are going to, where we are trying to explore

618
00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:50,460
these what they're called as transformative agreements.

619
00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:55,340
What we want to avoid, at least like here at Duke and I think a lot of other libraries

620
00:38:55,340 --> 00:38:59,180
as well, is paying for research twice.

621
00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:05,860
So, and what I mean by that is a lot of journals now have hybrid open access models where you

622
00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:11,260
might be, your article might be accepted and you can either publish in the traditional

623
00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:17,780
way or they might have an open access option for you where you would have to pay and then

624
00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:21,540
but your article is made visible.

625
00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:28,140
What we want to avoid is we used to have something called the COPE fund where all the libraries

626
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:32,980
would contribute to this and Duke researchers could submit requests to have their article

627
00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:34,900
processing charges covered.

628
00:39:34,900 --> 00:39:42,180
We always had to say no to those requests for those hybrid journals because it's like

629
00:39:42,180 --> 00:39:47,940
we are already paying thousands and thousands of dollars per year to have a subscription

630
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:54,260
to that journal and now having to then pay on top of that so that some researcher can

631
00:39:54,260 --> 00:39:56,740
make it open access in that journal.

632
00:39:56,740 --> 00:40:02,820
Just there is like there's like this disconnect, but there's a lot going on in publishing and

633
00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:05,900
scholarly communications right now.

634
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:08,860
I would say like for us it's exciting.

635
00:40:08,860 --> 00:40:12,820
There's like a lot of new and interesting things happening and we really are trying

636
00:40:12,820 --> 00:40:18,060
to support the research community as much as we can and I think entering in some of

637
00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:23,100
these transformative agreements with journal publishers where it just makes sense like

638
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:29,420
something like PLOS where we know Duke authors have traditionally published quite a bit and

639
00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:31,380
we're going to try to keep exploring those.

640
00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:37,540
We also have agreements with all Cambridge University press journals and then two BMJ

641
00:40:37,540 --> 00:40:41,660
journals, BMJ open quality and BMJ case reports.

642
00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:45,940
With all of those journals if your work gets accepted you do not have to pay the processing

643
00:40:45,940 --> 00:40:46,940
charges.

644
00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:49,860
Unbelievable and awesome.

645
00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:52,300
What a plug for open science.

646
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:56,740
Awesome news and just oh wow now I have to go and figure out which of the PLOS journals

647
00:40:56,740 --> 00:40:57,740
I can publish in.

648
00:40:57,740 --> 00:40:58,860
Thank you for sharing that news.

649
00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:03,180
It is really cutting these transformative agreements are really sort of cutting edge.

650
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:05,780
They're just starting to get like sort of negotiated.

651
00:41:05,780 --> 00:41:10,540
So you guys are kind of like in on the you know hearing about it now and you'll hear

652
00:41:10,540 --> 00:41:16,820
more and more as the years go on and universities systems start picking this up and if you're

653
00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:20,180
at a smaller institution smaller institutions do it as well.

654
00:41:20,180 --> 00:41:25,540
It just sort of again depends on your institution and their library and your research output

655
00:41:25,540 --> 00:41:26,540
and that kind of thing.

656
00:41:26,540 --> 00:41:32,820
But I think yeah I was just going to say I mean I guess one thing I could say about open

657
00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:40,980
science is you know open access in publishing is just one piece of that.

658
00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:47,820
You know sharing data management plans and your data is another part of that of increasing

659
00:41:47,820 --> 00:42:00,660
visibility of really stressing reproducibility of research and breaking down the some of

660
00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:09,260
the systems that have led to inequities in accessing information and that's my big passion

661
00:42:09,260 --> 00:42:16,820
with open access is it breaks down that barrier and makes the research visible and accessible

662
00:42:16,820 --> 00:42:18,220
to all.

663
00:42:18,220 --> 00:42:23,780
So those who aren't as fortunate or privileged to be at an institution like Duke you know

664
00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:31,300
to be able to access this information to build on it in their own settings without that those

665
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:36,500
additional burdens in place I think is so incredibly important.

666
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:42,020
We encourage it go open if you if you can possibly do it go open spread your spread

667
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:43,100
your research.

668
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,580
We want people to see it right.

669
00:42:45,580 --> 00:42:48,460
Absolutely absolutely.

670
00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:52,660
Thank you thank you that was so awesome and actually a great segue into the next question

671
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:57,780
which is like so you brought up a lot of things which I myself am like oh I didn't know that

672
00:42:57,780 --> 00:43:00,460
I didn't know that I need to find out about that.

673
00:43:00,460 --> 00:43:06,380
So for everyone who's listening how what how do they engage their librarians like I know

674
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:09,820
we've talked about what's the best way to come prepared but just for everyone who's

675
00:43:09,820 --> 00:43:14,500
listening it's like I've never even ever talked to my librarian what's the first step.

676
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:20,100
Okay so if you are trying to reach us if you were at Duke and you're trying to reach a

677
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:23,460
Duke librarian emailing us is the best way to do it.

678
00:43:23,460 --> 00:43:32,320
We have a super easy email address it is medical-librarian so medical-librarian at duke.edu but if you

679
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,780
are trying to kind of the best way to get most librarians and libraries is actually

680
00:43:37,780 --> 00:43:45,580
through their websites so many of our services come through our websites databases instructional

681
00:43:45,580 --> 00:43:50,940
guides resources wayfinders to point you in all different directions it's all through

682
00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:51,940
our websites.

683
00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:56,900
If you wanted to come to the Duke Medical Center Library website we are actually separate from

684
00:43:56,900 --> 00:44:00,740
main campus so if you google Duke Library you're actually going to get main campus library

685
00:44:00,740 --> 00:44:05,260
which is a great library don't get me wrong but if you want the medical center library

686
00:44:05,260 --> 00:44:10,420
you can google Duke Medical Library and it will bring you to our website that will be

687
00:44:10,420 --> 00:44:15,860
way easier than me trying to spell out our URL so what I've decided to default to in

688
00:44:15,860 --> 00:44:21,220
most library websites there will be email addresses and that's probably most librarians

689
00:44:21,220 --> 00:44:26,580
preferred way of getting a request because then you can provide all that information

690
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:31,900
we talked about like when and where and what new and context and all that good stuff but

691
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:39,020
most libraries also have a chat feature so we have a little chat bot box that you can

692
00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:43,980
Monday through Friday 9 to 5 you can send us a quick question like hey I'm trying to

693
00:44:43,980 --> 00:44:49,300
get this article you know can you tell me whether or not Duke has it and we'll say yes

694
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:54,300
we do or no we don't you're gonna have to send it through interlibrary loan hey I'm

695
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:58,980
doing a really quick search can you suggest some terms for me that kind of thing so you

696
00:44:58,980 --> 00:45:04,420
wanted or we can you can say I'd really like to meet with a librarian can I set up a time

697
00:45:04,420 --> 00:45:09,780
to meet with you and we can do a zoom so I will also add for people who aren't even at

698
00:45:09,780 --> 00:45:16,100
institutions that have you know deep and rich library services the National Library of Medicine

699
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:20,580
is there for you as well they're not going to be able to necessarily have the capacity

700
00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:25,860
to provide as much of the in-depth searching support and it would really be for some of

701
00:45:25,860 --> 00:45:35,420
the searching questions in particular or questions related to PubMed My NCBI Sci NCV you can absolutely

702
00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:41,020
reach out to them and they also have a lot of just-in-time videos and trainings available

703
00:45:41,020 --> 00:45:48,380
on their websites as well that is super awesome thank you thank you so much this has been

704
00:45:48,380 --> 00:45:53,020
so informative is there any closing piece of information that we haven't talked about

705
00:45:53,020 --> 00:46:00,220
they really feel it's important to share I would just say don't be a stranger you know

706
00:46:00,220 --> 00:46:12,420
so friendly we love these people right yeah yeah you know I will say that if we if you

707
00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:17,820
are not from Duke we will try to point you in the right direction or connect you to somebody

708
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:24,300
at your institution it is you know the case that our particular library services are for

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our Duke faculty staff and students but there's likely something at your own institution or

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there are sets of freely available resources that we can also point you to we frequently

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get people asking for systematic review services for example and so we'll say I know the librarian

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at x y or z institution and I can direct you there or I'll find out if there's somebody

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there can help you with that I'm also thinking like area health education centers which will

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also provide library support depending on which state and region you're in is another

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one yeah that's awesome I yeah thank you thank you for sharing that and it sounds like if

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if people are not able to connect with you directly if they're not from Duke or don't

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have a Duke collaborator you're often able to show them other resources that they may

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have access to that perhaps they don't know we love talking to librarians at other institutions

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so it's like totally an excuse for us to make a new friend awesome awesome I love it I love

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it thank you so much that has been so wonderful you gave me a lot of information that I feel

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like I need to go follow up on you will be getting emails from me shortly I'm sure I

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just want to say thank you so much for the wisdom that you've shared with our listeners

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all right everyone you've heard Sarah you've heard Layla librarians are your friends they

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are not just librarians they are so much more they're informaticists is that no no no what

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is information that's information you got it I like yours you're sounded fancy but really

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that you're helping us manage information you're helping us disseminate information

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and even helping us store it as well doing so many things helping us invest helping us

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get promoted just so so many so many things that that you're doing and I just want to

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thank you for your work I want to thank you for the work you do here at Duke for the work

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that I've benefited from because I've worked with both of you personally and it's always

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such an amazing and wonderful experience so when you started out talking about how the

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biggest gift you feel and the biggest value you bring the people I agree I think it's

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just it's such a wonderful experience to work with you not just getting the information

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but just also having a pleasant experience collaborating with you and working with you

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so thank you both for for for all that you do thank you thank you for having us thank

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you I want to say to our view to our listeners if there's anybody who needs to hear this

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information who maybe doesn't know perhaps you know all of this and you have a mentee

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who needs to know our colleague who might need to know please share this episode with

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them and and definitely help them get plugged into services that will really enhance their

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research as well all right everyone thank you for listening Leila and Sarah thank you

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so much for being here thank you bye bye bye bye everyone

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Thanks for listening to this episode of the clinician researcher podcast where academic

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