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Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast, where academic clinicians learn the skills
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to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.
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As clinicians, we spend a decade or more as trainees learning to take care of patients.
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When we finally start our careers, we want to build research programs, but then we find
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that our years of clinical training did not adequately prepare us to lead our research
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program.
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Through no fault of our own, we struggle to find mentors, and when we can't, we quit.
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However, clinicians hold the keys to the greatest research breakthroughs.
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For this reason, the Clinician Researcher podcast exists to give academic clinicians
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the tools to build their own research program, whether or not they have a mentor.
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Now introducing your host, Toyosi Onwuemene.
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Welcome to the Clinician Researcher podcast.
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I'm your host, Toyosi Onwuemene, and it is a pleasure to be talking with you today.
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Thank you for tuning in.
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I'm excited to announce the last podcast episode for the year 2023, because we're going into
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the holiday season and I am off next week.
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And so I want to thank you for tuning in these last few weeks.
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The podcast launched in August, and I am so excited about the number of people who've
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been tuning in and regularly just letting me know how the podcast has been beneficial
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to them.
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So thank you so much.
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So for this last podcast episode of the year, I'm actually freestyling it, but I really
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wanted to stop and just really talk about the year in review, because I have to tell
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you, this has been a phenomenal year.
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And I mean, it's been phenomenal in so many ways, but I think the biggest way in which
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it's been big is just that, wow, I've grown so much.
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And the person who began this year as me is not the same person who's ending the year.
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And that is the biggest thing that I celebrate.
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And so in just thinking about the year in review and actually inviting you to do the
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same, I think I want to highlight the things that maybe are not like the perfect things.
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I mean, there are a lot of great things that have happened.
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I will tell you today, I finally looked through and I looked at the number of manuscripts
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we submitted this year, and we submitted 12 as a team.
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And I'm proud of that number, not because of the number, but because of how far I've
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come.
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Because when I started my faculty career 10 years ago, I was someone who barely published,
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someone who barely wrote, I certainly was not publishing with mentees in my program.
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And so for all of those manuscripts that we published this year, I think only one of those
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manuscripts was not done with a mentee.
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And so the manuscripts that we submitted don't represent the number of like, oh, wow, look
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at all that I've done.
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But it's just, wow, look at the people that I've supported to be able to succeed in their
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research.
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And that feels so important and so powerful to me, because to be honest, all the challenges
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that I feel like I've experienced in being a clinician making the transition to a researcher,
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they become worth it when other people are able to advance in their research careers
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because of the work that I do.
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And so that represents to me such an important, important win, because it's not a numbers
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win.
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It's not even like, oh, look what I published when it's a wow, look at all the people who
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are coming up who are able to win because you're winning.
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And so that's so powerful to me.
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And I just wanted to just highlight that and just celebrate that.
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That's one of the things I'm celebrating.
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Another thing I'm celebrating is that this is the first year that I owned my expertise
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as a clinician researcher.
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So for the longest time, especially, I mean, again, I started 10 years ago and I was told
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that I wasn't qualified for this role.
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And I was told that if I really wanted to do research, I should do it on my own at nights
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and on weekends.
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And as someone who's come a long way from that, right?
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I started in an 80%, which felt to me like 100% clinical role, and I've transitioned
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to an 80% research role.
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And there are things I haven't accomplished that I've wanted to accomplish.
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For example, getting an NIH R01 has been a big goal of mine and I haven't accomplished
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that.
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But wow, if I look at all the things I have accomplished where someone like me who was
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a full clinician is not expected to have been able to accomplish that, is not expected to
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have been able to acquire grant funding to be able to really support and lead a research
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program.
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And so I'm celebrating my owning that expertise.
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And the reason I celebrate that is because when I was going to start this podcast, I
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was like, who are you?
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Who are you to stand up and say, oh, I'm going to do a podcast about transitioning from clinician
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to researcher when you still haven't even made it yet?
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And really, that was a conversation I had with myself.
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And I'm like, OK, so let's say someone who's 20, 30 years ahead of me has had multiple
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R01, U01, U54s, they've had P project grants, they've had everything.
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OK, maybe that person is qualified to come on a podcast and say, hey, look at all I've
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accomplished and please be like me.
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And so I think that person is qualified.
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The person who's 20, 30 years older than me, I don't think I'm qualified because I'm like,
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well, I've got so much yet to accomplish.
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And so part of me owning that win and celebrating that accomplishment is saying, you know what?
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I may not be the most qualified person in the room when it comes to clinicians leading
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research programs.
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But to be honest, the story of my life is I've never been qualified to do anything.
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I just do it.
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And then in the process of doing it, I qualify myself.
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And if I had listened to everyone in life who ever told me, well, you're not really
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qualified, somebody else is more qualified than you, I wouldn't have shown up.
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I wouldn't have advanced.
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I wouldn't have come to where I am.
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And so I think why that's such an important celebration to me is that it no longer matters
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when people stand up and tell me I'm not qualified because in my mind I'm like, so what?
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I want to do it and I'm going to.
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And because sometimes it's like, well, you're not qualified.
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Why don't you not try so you don't fail?
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But in my mind, I'm like, well, qualified or not, this is what I want to do.
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Let's do it.
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If it doesn't work, OK, it didn't work out.
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But you know what?
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It just might work and that'll be awesome.
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And so it's recognizing that I don't have to be qualified to give what I already have.
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I don't have to be qualified to just share my story because, hey, it's my story and to
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really own the successes that I have had in how far I've come for someone who was told
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from the very beginning that she wasn't qualified to lead research.
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And for that reason, she should just sit and do what everybody else is doing.
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And so I want to celebrate that I did not allow that to keep me from coming on this
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platform and being on this podcast.
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So I'm celebrating that.
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Another thing I want to celebrate this year is that this is the year I did some different
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things that are not traditionally in line with academia.
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I think starting this podcast is one of them, but even studying a business as a coach, as
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a coach leading other clinicians to transition to research, that is different and new.
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I mean, I am a mentor.
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I have mentees within my research program.
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I know how much it costs to mentor.
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Wow, it's intense.
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And the number of mentees I have in my program, I can't triple or quadruple that because it's
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a lot of intense, focused time.
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We're meeting every week.
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We're meeting in between those meetings.
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We're having conversations off the cuff.
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I'm available as concerns come up.
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That's a lot of work to be a mentor.
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And there are very few people that I can really pour into in that way.
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But wow, there are many people that I can coach.
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I can coach a lot more people than I can mentor because it's a different kind of energy and
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it's a different experience.
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And so it's been powerful to step into my role as a coach because, wow, there are so
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many more people I can reach and now it's not relevant that they're not in hematology,
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in my field of hemostasis thrombosis, interested in the kind of research projects I do because
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in general, what I'm coaching on is helping people really change the way they think about
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their careers, change the way they think about their ownership of their careers, and change
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the way they think about their power to advance their careers.
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So that's really important and super powerful.
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And I'm just really, really appreciative of and really excited by that because it's something
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different.
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I didn't think I would be doing it.
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But wow, what an opportunity.
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And so in celebrating that, what I'm celebrating is an openness to doing things differently,
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an openness to an entertaining new ways of serving.
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All right.
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The last thing I want to talk about is just celebrating the opportunity to help other
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people come up and help other people come along.
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When to be honest, the perspective of my life and coming into medicine has always been about
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helping people.
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I came to medicine to help people and I felt disillusioned sometimes in clinical medicine
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because I feel like, wow, there's so many people who could be helped who are not helped.
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And so there's always this cry of my heart to say, how many people can I help?
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And in stepping into my leadership of this podcast and stepping into my leadership in
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my own research program, as stepping into my leadership in actually going on many other
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podcasts this year, giving talks this year, doing things, going to business conferences
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I've never gone to before, it's allowed me to step into a place where I'm able to help
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so many more people.
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And that is so important to me.
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It is so powerful to me.
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Because for me, this journey makes sense to the extent to which I can bring a lot more
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people along with me.
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This journey makes sense to me to the extent to which I can help people succeed who've
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been told historically that they could never succeed.
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Right?
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And it resonates with me because I am that person.
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I am the person who was told, well, you know what, this is not for you.
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Quit while you're ahead.
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But I also recognize that I'm not alone.
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There are many people who are like me who are told every day, don't do this because
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it's too hard.
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And some of us listen to that, but many of us don't.
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And we're here because we dared to do something that people said we would not succeed at.
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And then we surprised ourselves and found out that we were successful.
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And so to me, the opportunity to offer people that gift of don't listen when people tell
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you you can't succeed just because you don't have a mentor.
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Don't listen when people tell you you can't succeed just because you don't start out with
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protected time.
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Don't listen when people tell you you can't succeed because maybe you've never written
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a grant or published a paper before.
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It's like, I mean, don't listen.
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But there will always be naysayers.
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And so it has been so awesome to step into the leadership that I have this year and really
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to be able to support many, many, many, many people along this journey.
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I want to thank you for being a listener, for being someone who tunes in, even if this
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is your very first podcast episode you're listening to.
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I want to thank you because the fact that there are people who listen makes it possible
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to continue to speak.
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I will tell you that in academia, I've been in many spaces where people have asked me
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to be silent or they've indicated to me that I was not welcome to contribute.
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It's like, well, this space is not for people like you.
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And so I recognize the importance and the power of having people around you who say,
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no, please speak.
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We're listening and we appreciate the value of what you say.
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And so I know that you're listening to this podcast because I see the stats.
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I'm looking at them.
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I'm like, oh, wow, people are listening from what?
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I mean, people are listening from all over the world, which is surprising to me because
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I'm like, really?
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I mean, most of my listeners right now are the United States, which is my expectation.
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But when I see like a cluster of people listening, say in Germany, I'm like, oh, why is that?
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But it's exciting.
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And it allows me to keep speaking because there are people who are voting with their
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ears and saying, hey, we appreciate what you say.
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We appreciate what you share.
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And so I want to thank you because you are part of that crowd, even if you only listen
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to me one time.
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And I really want to say thank you.
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I want to say thank you because you have the option to listen to as many people as you
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want.
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And somehow you chose to be here for whatever reason.
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And I want to say because you chose to listen, because you chose to download an episode,
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because you dare to press play, you've given me courage to keep speaking.
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And for that, I'm grateful.
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And I say thank you.
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All right.
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So I'm going off into the end of the year.
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I'm taking a week off.
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And I'm excited to be able to do that because as much as I have enjoyed this year and honestly
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all the work I've done has been so fun.
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I've had fun this year.
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I've had fun in my work, in the manuscripts I've written, in the grants I've submitted.
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I've had so much fun.
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And I also recognize the value of taking time away, not just for rest, but definitely
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for rest because rest is critical to continue to move forward, but also to be able to reflect
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and say, well, what does 2024 bring?
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What do I want to create in 2024?
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It says not like, oh, I'm going to be surprised at what 2024 is going to bring.
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I love surprises.
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And I'm going to prepare to create things in 2024.
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I'm not asking 2020.
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I'm not waiting to see what 2024 has to give me.
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I'm like, well, 2024, this is what I'm coming to get.
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I'm creating.
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And I recognize my power in that creation.
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But in order to be able to create, I need to create space.
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I need to create time to do the work of creation.
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The work of creation requires opportunity for deep introspection, a rest in mind, opportunities
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for creativity.
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And so that's what I'm looking forward to in the next week.
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And really thinking about how I show up in 2024 more authentically, more real, more rested,
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really building rest into my day.
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I'm excited about next week as a time of rest, but I'm also recognizing that, well, one week
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is not enough.
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Rest really needs to be part of my daily experience.
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And so thinking about how does 2024, how does my approach to 2024 allow me to create rest
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while still having fun in the things that I'm doing as a clinician, as a researcher
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who's leading and building a research program?
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So I'm excited about that.
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I want to invite you as you are looking into your week or whatever it is that you're listening
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to this, because you know what?
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It's arbitrary.
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There is no real deadline.
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You could always stop and think about how you want to show up next week, how you want
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to show up today, how you want to show up tomorrow.
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Even if it's past, you know, it's now when you're listening to this January 1st of 2024
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or beyond, it's never too late to pause and reflect, celebrate your wins, and then think
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about how you want to show up in 2024.
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And if you ask me how do I want to show up in 2024, I want to show up boldly.
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I want to show up courageously.
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I want to show up and no longer allow shame to direct my path.
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I no longer am allowing fear to direct my path.
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I'm going boldly.
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If it feels crazy, I want to do it, because if it's crazy, I'm like, that must be where
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I am, where I must be, because anything short of that means I'm allowing fear to rule my
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experience.
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I'm looking forward to creating a career that's different from any career I've seen around
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me, because what I'm doing is living an adventure as an academic.
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And to be honest, you could do the same too.
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So I invite you to think about the year ahead, the weeks ahead, the months ahead as an opportunity
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to create your own adventure in academia.
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And don't look around and say, well, no one will let me do that.
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Nobody chooses what you do but you.
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And the question is not will they let you or not.
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The question is what do you want to do?
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How do you want your academic career to look like?
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What do you want it to look like?
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Who do you want to be?
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How do you want to show up?
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What experiences do you want to have?
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And I hear the voice of cynicism many times and like, well, I want a lot of things, but
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you know, whatever happens, happens.
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And it's true.
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There are a lot of things outside of our control, but there are so many things within our control.
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And if we stop focusing on the things outside of our control and really focus in on the
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things in our control, we'll find that we have so much more power and we've allowed
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ourselves to experience, to enjoy and to wield.
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And I look forward to opportunities to tell you more about things like that in the upcoming
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year.
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So at this time, we're out.
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I hope you'll take some rest too.
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If you have ideas for episodes that you want to see next year, please definitely send me
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a message at info at coedcoach.com or you can leave a message on our voicemail on the
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podcast website.
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That's clinicianresearcherpodcast.com or you can send me a DM through Instagram or
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Facebook and really more realistically through LinkedIn.
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Like LinkedIn, it's a space in which you will likely find me more often than not.
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Anyway, it's been a pleasure to talk with you today and thank you for taking the time
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to listen today and always.
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I wish you a very enjoyable holiday season, a time of rest and reflection.
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Enjoy as you look forward to the adventure that is ahead of you.
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As always, please share this episode with someone else and definitely let them know
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that we are offline, off the air for the next week or so.
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And I look forward to talking with you again in the new year.
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Take care.
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Bye bye.
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